I Hope you HATE Buying Graphics Cards - WAN Show January 8, 2021

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Timestamps (Courtesy of SirTobiGoodboy)
0:37 Recap of topics
2:00 Intro
2:13 Carmen Sandiego
4:46 GPUs getting more expensive
5:16 Import tariffs increasing prices 7.5% to 25%
6:20 Tariffs implemented in 2018 and exemptions expired
7:00 Shipping costs increasing
7:50 Canadian computer prices falling
11:12 General tariff and trade discussion
11:52 Foxconn US factory
15:40 Price Creep of GPUs
17:40 Now is the time to pick up gaming laptops
18:20 RTX 3080 MaxQ far slower than desktop
18:43 RTX 3000 power efficiency is not enough for laptops
19:45 GPU prices will never be competitive again due to the shortage debacle.
21:06 GTX 1080ti performance equivalent for RTX 3080 MaxQ
22:02 Performance parity gone between desktop and laptop
24:49 Detailed specifications
26:40 Potentially confusing marketing and nomenclature
29:19 GPU rating system proposal
39:20 Sponsor Spots
39:24 Kite
40:07 Squarespace
41:05 Vessi
42:27 LTTStore
47:05 WhatsApp Facebook data sharing
47:54 Video calling tangent
51:19 Self image and body modification tangent
1:11:11 WhatsApp Facebook data sharing
1:11:16 Data to be shared
1:12:34 Ikea created mockups for new consoles (unclear validity)
1:13:11 Trump permabanned on Twitter
1:13:45 Many other apps and websites banning Trump
1:15:47 Switch Pro leak/rumor
1:16:49 Superchats
1:18:17 Outro

Comments

  1. Serrano117

    Serrano11751 minute ago

    Yup looks like ps5 is the choice for now

  2. patat0s

    patat0s5 hours ago

    lol my 2060 went from 300 to $650-1000 on pcpartpicker. somehow

  3. ash0787

    ash078710 hours ago

    make more graphics card factories ?

  4. Nimbull

    Nimbull22 hours ago

    What would be funny is if graphics cards becoming this expensive suddenly make Intel top dog in processors because of integrated graphics and not processor performance.

  5. ocudagledam

    ocudagledamDay ago

    I looked at a "local" (i.e. for my country) price aggregator and there were 0 5600XTs on it. A different one was showing two, one at 450€ and the other at 550! For a freakin' 5600XT (and who knows if they're really in stock)! Even on the local equivalent of Craigslist, all but two ads were set to "contact us" (meaning not in stock), one was at around 500€ and only the last one was at a bit over 300€ (but I really doubt that it's in stock at that price). At this point, I really hope the bubble bursts spectacularly. I was talking to a "small time" miner (5 rigs with 5-6 cards each), she kind of rubs shoulders with bigger players (some of which run hundreds of cards). There's a big contrast between her and them, for her it's a bit of free money to make ends meet while slowly paying for the hardware she got (in monthly installments), while for those who already have lots of money from other ventures, it's fun and lucrative speculation (also, for all involved, it's mooching, finding loopholes to not pay for electricity). The big players aren't naive, though. She mentioned how, when ETH was bottoming out at $90, one really big guy bought 100ETH from a slightly smaller one. A few weeks ago, when ETH hit $600, she saw that "shark" and he said he wasn't selling yet, he was waiting for it to hit $1000. So, having said that, the real major players seem to be cold-blooded enough to not allow a complete meltdown and have also already made a ton of money. Money which, obviously, came from other people (because where else). Enough of that. Need to start working. Producing some actual new value. For a pedestrian sum that makes a new GPU a luxury in this climate. Oh, one last thing I heard, one of the guys she knows actually has a HW selling biz and he got in contact, through intermediaries, with some factory in China making graphics cards. She said that they offered him 6900XTs for $3000 and 5700 cards for something equally stupid! My mind boggles. Happy GPU shopping, everyone!

  6. KazmaBruh Diodoriton

    KazmaBruh DiodoritonDay ago

    Nvidia really said we don’t fucking care about you

  7. Collin T

    Collin TDay ago

    On that certification program, I have ideas. edit:...And you got most of my ideas.

  8. some guy over the internet

    some guy over the internet2 days ago

    glad i got my rtx 2070 super oc in 2020 XD

  9. Collin T

    Collin T2 days ago

    glad i got my 850 w psu before this I'm screwed with my Mobo

  10. necessarilyskeptical

    necessarilyskeptical2 days ago

    So...2020/2021 basically served to wet the entire worlds appetite for PC gaming/building. And then made sure that the pricing is going to stay priced so high that is out of most people's hands. That checks out.

  11. President-Elect Mike

    President-Elect Mike2 days ago

    Yeah we should just continue letting China shit on us, under-cut their pricing etc just so we can save a few bucks on a motherboard. Priorities people.

  12. Preston Belgarde

    Preston Belgarde2 days ago

    Are the ineligeble people for the vaccine in the US? Like is everyone else in the world able to get one whenever?

  13. GreenLid Gaming

    GreenLid Gaming2 days ago

    I hate buying GPU's luckily I only buy one once every two years.. Got my 3090 on the water so good to go!

  14. sPagHeTii

    sPagHeTii4 days ago

    New administration lol. That was the biggest fraud I've ever seen and I can remember back to Jimmy Carter. I did not vote for Trump.

  15. Paul V

    Paul V4 days ago

    I watched Carmen Sandiego and Bobby’s World every morning before school oh and power rangers was bomb at school back then too lol!!! If you didn’t have the 10” action figures you were nobody haha!!!! After school was Bill Nye the science guy!

  16. Freeman

    Freeman4 days ago

    Are there any tech podcasts that have both, the insightful host and stay on topic? These guys know a lot about the industry, but I just need to skip ahead all the time to get to the informative part. I don't really need to hear about their looks, their life, houses, pets, etc. I swear, when they were doing it from garage on some shabby couch, it was more on topic than now. For a short while they've at least had a document that I could read, but they don't post it any more. A technology news show where after years of watching, I barely even know the names of the anchors would be perfect, any recommendations?

  17. Nicholas Eitenmiller

    Nicholas Eitenmiller5 days ago

    Dude I just built a pc. I need a gpu :(

  18. SwiftCharge

    SwiftCharge6 days ago

    Linus has braces on his lower teeth now?

  19. Trevor Rea-Stewart

    Trevor Rea-Stewart6 days ago

    If these card manufactures could just start making mining cards, no display out ect. built for purpose. cut out all the features and cost of a gpu processor for graphics. and open up new manufacturing facilities for mining hardware. wouldn't that be a great way to make a ton of extra money for nvidia and/or amd? or someone new?

  20. claud rapoza

    claud rapoza6 days ago

    did linus stop mining?

  21. Martin Ryan

    Martin Ryan6 days ago

    I acquired a 3070 by the skin of my teeth 2 days ago

  22. Arturo Tabera

    Arturo Tabera7 days ago

    Yes Men.

  23. Adrian Guirola

    Adrian Guirola7 days ago

    Welcome to the world of the oligopoly. Where 2 companies develop and share their production with others but everything comes from the same place

  24. Ninjastahr

    Ninjastahr7 days ago

    Watching the certification section: Does anyone remember the Windows experience numbers? I remember those

  25. Shalashaska 994

    Shalashaska 9947 days ago

    Everyone trying to make this tariff out to be "orange man bad fault" but as much as it sucks it's for a good reason. China imposes insane tariffs on american products entering china and chances are china will back down if it were to continue.

  26. Hulkieus

    Hulkieus7 days ago

    Me living in aus: “First time?”

  27. JayTheCorrupt

    JayTheCorrupt7 days ago

    Why hate what you literally cannot do.

  28. Victor

    Victor8 days ago

    my 590 was 700 when sold new , so top tier gpus were 700 USD

  29. Samantha Dwyer

    Samantha Dwyer8 days ago

    And TIL Luke is my birthday buddy 🎂

  30. Razerfange

    Razerfange8 days ago

    I want to RGB them braces tho.

  31. Todd scholefield

    Todd scholefield9 days ago

    Shut China down trump is right. Trump 2021

  32. Todd scholefield

    Todd scholefield9 days ago

    Yeah you could get manufacturing here for pc components. It would not take years to build. It would take 2 to 4 years...........be pending how many people are on the job. You can’t sit there and feed us bullshit all you want bud. Yes I em Canadian, bro

  33. Todd scholefield

    Todd scholefield9 days ago

    Ok Biden is going to raise taxes, and spend money like moron democrats communist. Biden can’t say one sentence with out fing it up........ trump did way more good then Biden ever did, Biden is a coke snorting socialist. And don’t any of you forget it.......

  34. Sheep22

    Sheep229 days ago

    well, now im glad i bought a 1660s 2 months before the release of the 3000 series...

  35. Vincent

    Vincent9 days ago

    Trump had to give one last middle finger to the people on his way out the door.

  36. DoctaPhill

    DoctaPhill9 days ago

    guess i have to stick with this GTX 960 for another 5 years lol

  37. Michael Mauro

    Michael Mauro9 days ago

    Biden is friends with CCP. The Tariffs will be gone soon and prices will remain the same. Bet

  38. Hulkieus

    Hulkieus9 days ago

    Does that mean amd gpus are gonna easily beat nvidia gpus simply cause they are more power efficient?

  39. QuantumS1ngularity

    QuantumS1ngularity9 days ago

    So.. US is finally catching up on our EU prices. Welcome aboard. Feel free to experience what it is to be f*cked over.

  40. Matt Adams

    Matt Adams10 days ago

    4:20 - 🎼That's the story, Wishbone 🎶

  41. tankninja1

    tankninja110 days ago

    Why would Trump's tariffs on China affect products mostly made in Taiwan, with parts from South Korea and Japan?

  42. Bob Page

    Bob Page10 days ago

    Americans be like " Pc gaming is dead, its too expensive" after only their prices go up because they voted in a protectionist candidate.

  43. Ayden Schellevis

    Ayden Schellevis10 days ago

    My sister watched that animated show she like 7

  44. Mauro brandao

    Mauro brandao10 days ago

    thanks to the president terrorism? I see, you in favor of Biden that won the elections by cheating on American people! For that I am unsubscribing!

  45. Aisaaax

    Aisaaax10 days ago

    I remember explicitly Linus telling the story about his Nose completely differently. It went like this: "He went to his Mom and told her that he has a big nose. She said no, he didn't. Then Linus said 'Watch this' and turned his face sideways, which made his mom admit he has a big nose." Then, it was a conversation about that people don't really pay attention to that stuff unless pointed out. And now the story is completely different! It reminds me of Joker. "You know how I got this scars?..." Linus version: "You know I have that big nose?..." :D

  46. Colin Irvine

    Colin Irvine11 days ago

    Love your show. I’m trying to build a PC at the moment but it’s stalled as I can’t get hold of a graphics card of any kind! Why can’t graphics card manufacturers can’t increase production to meet demand?

  47. Tengku Aliff

    Tengku Aliff11 days ago

    1:07:25 Linus actually has a pretty normal nose lmao

  48. Blake Raham

    Blake Raham11 days ago

    Yes! Now the U.S can start building them at a competitive price! More jobs thank god.

  49. Matthew E

    Matthew E11 days ago

    Welp Australian prices have sucked for the longest time so nothing changes for us

  50. ET Shrimpinator

    ET Shrimpinator11 days ago

    F

  51. John Farias

    John Farias11 days ago

    If they don't want to pay tariffs tell Nvidia to build a American Plant in give American jobs boom no more tariffs for them

  52. BoboBear

    BoboBear11 days ago

    google STADIA is awsome, cp-2077 etc, games a bit more $ when not onsale $79.99 etc, but considering no Hardware Cost, and no need to buy PS5 etc, its amazing. (review STADIA please, future episode) thanks

  53. Jon G

    Jon G11 days ago

    Weird arguments here. Basically we should accept slave labor of Chinese people, because doing things ourselves might be hard at first? I mean here we are crying about a 800 graphics card when chinese workers make a few dollars a month.

  54. GamerBoy705

    GamerBoy70510 days ago

    True

  55. 1976axerhand

    1976axerhand11 days ago

    question, do i really need a 8gb graphics card to run wow, cities skylines? or can i get away with a 6gb one? thx.

  56. georhodium Geo

    georhodium Geo11 days ago

    Hey bro, I hear you like not buying graphics cards so I brought you to 2021.

  57. Jeff Ryman

    Jeff Ryman11 days ago

    Even mid-range cards like a GeForce GTX 1660 super are selling for double MSRP if you can find one. This can't be due solely to the tariffs.

  58. Tengku Aliff

    Tengku Aliff11 days ago

    29:30 Gamers Nexus Rating

  59. Krazy killar47

    Krazy killar4711 days ago

    This is sad , im not even into pc gaming anymore last 2 years I've been gaming on console . I hate scalpers .

  60. Huskerdo

    Huskerdo11 days ago

    I just want to say the main reason why I watch Linus Tech tips videos is because you're not afraid to be critical of products. When I'm picking out computer parts I want to know what sucks about the things I'm looking at

  61. Seaded

    Seaded11 days ago

    I'm so glad I was able to get a 3090 when it came out. I just saw the prices and it's almost 600 dollars higher

  62. 1iLLnoize1

    1iLLnoize111 days ago

    Jack dorsey has huge investment in Signal

  63. MrBlueJK4

    MrBlueJK411 days ago

    Glad I got a 5700xt January $469 at microcenter. Limit 1 per person, there were only 16 left when I got mine.

  64. David S.

    David S.11 days ago

    The rising prices are the result of something called economics. The rising prices are not the fault of just the tariffs. It's a lot more complicated than just blaming it on an government administration. It actually has to happen for some very legitimate reasons if you want these products to actually be available for purchase. The lower margins are one of the main reasons that we can't get the products that we want right now. I don't like the rising prices, but it is necessary.

  65. Rafa El

    Rafa El11 days ago

    So prices going higher is thks to Trump??? You must be joking. I would say market demand and lack of offer this december and prices that have been paid has made 2021 readjusting their price offers.

  66. Maxwell Farnham

    Maxwell Farnham11 days ago

    Linus’s tangent on video calling reminds me of the David foster wallace writings in infinite jest. I propose, to those opposed to video calling, just point the camera at a picture or at scenery that you see, talking normally as you would sitting next to someone.

  67. Rob Jay

    Rob Jay11 days ago

    Getting plastic surgery is kinda pathetic. It shows a lack of love for yourself which is much less attractive than any wrinkle or imperfection. People are just obsessed with what everyone else thinks about there looks and points of view. First world to the fullest.

  68. Paul Burkey

    Paul Burkey11 days ago

    Your working on LWS linus web servers

  69. Bulvine420

    Bulvine42011 days ago

    Went from fuck why did I buy this 2080ti to fuck I’m so glad I got this 2080 ti!

  70. Ailith Twinning

    Ailith Twinning12 days ago

    "There's no way to win" Marx would like a word.

  71. matthew longino

    matthew longino12 days ago

    They gonna be crossing the boarder with graphics cards. It's going to be like prohibition all over again. I am just laughing thinking about that.

  72. GHX_Beans

    GHX_Beans12 days ago

    PICKLE S

  73. Irish I Cared

    Irish I Cared12 days ago

    So don't institute the tariffs, give up on the companies having to create jobs in the US, and keep relying on poorer countries' sweatshops to make our shit so it's cheaper. Canada aye'

  74. N Sa

    N Sa12 days ago

    Notebookcheck.net have really detailed analysis for mobile cards but also full systems

  75. Jordan Dunton

    Jordan Dunton12 days ago

    It would be cool to see SKUs or stickers on laptops/GPUs/CPUs or whatever saying like FPS+Res where it certified fps rates on resolutions of *most* not *all* games. I.e. 30+1080, 60+1080, 120+1080

  76. Ugly Angel

    Ugly Angel12 days ago

    So I should drive over the border ....

  77. JCS

    JCS12 days ago

    Me in EU that couldn't care less

  78. Ukro Tab

    Ukro Tab12 days ago

    funiest and most deepest episode ever xD

  79. Mr. Nobody

    Mr. Nobody12 days ago

    WAIT wait! 74 % slower, the MaxQ, but the NON maxq? How is a maxP for instance? You never paid any kind of attention to it... what should i say?!

  80. k1e0x

    k1e0x12 days ago

    Background on the price issue: Have you ever wondered how you can buy a $0.10 screw for $1 on Amazon and have it shipped to your door when shipping anything from China cost about $30? How can they make a profit? The reason is UPS/FedEX/USPS are subsided by the US tax dollar. It's our money not China's and lobbyists got these deals somehow. Canada does NOT do this. You can't get anything with cheep shipping in Canada. On the tariffs this is actually the only one thing I do like that Trump ever did. China, where as the people are great, their government is flat evil. No civil liberties, Concentration camps, Indentured prison labor, Human trafficking, Cultural genocide.. (and they prop up North Korea where it's even worse) the list goes on and on and I stand with the people of Hong Kong in trying to expose and fight their control. Trump is right on this aspect (like a stopped clock is right sometimes lol but still) We should NOT be sending our money to them. Sorry if you have to pay more.. it's worth it. Hopefully Biden can continue to pressure China for reform in a much less aggressive way.. but it needs to be done not for our benefit but for the benefit of the Chinese people living under the control of the CCP.

  81. Michael M. Dahlheim

    Michael M. Dahlheim12 days ago

    Trump even meesed up Gaming 😂

  82. Jason Lee

    Jason Lee12 days ago

    Who are you idiots going to blame for everything when trump leaves. Still Trump who am I kidding.

  83. Barry Cooper

    Barry Cooper12 days ago

    I just got a 3070 today. I'm underwhelmed! My 5700xt ain't that far different. Ray tracing isn't really worth it IMHO.

  84. Arlin Wright

    Arlin Wright12 days ago

    I have to agree, I want the truth of a machine or product, good, bad or indifferent.

  85. Stephen Webb

    Stephen Webb12 days ago

    These tariffs were first and foremost put in place to punish China. Whether or not it would help create jobs is doubtful.

  86. Pony Soldier

    Pony Soldier12 days ago

    Freedom of the planet is at stake. Let's talk in 30 days. Take this to your canuk bank.

  87. Gary

    Gary12 days ago

    I've been subbed to this channel for 6 years (i think maybe a little more) but I never seen Linus with braces :S

  88. Jcewazhere

    Jcewazhere12 days ago

    But.... but china pays the tariffs... right? Trumpets scare me. Sure the multiple bans/takedowns seems coordinated, but it's probably not. Twatter was the first to break the ice in banning extremism from the GOP/Trump and the others saw that as permission to follow suit.

  89. Bryan With a Y

    Bryan With a Y12 days ago

    Nah just do 2 modes for testing... stock and full... and maybe somthing in the middle... easy testing.... so like 50% boost to all;fan, cpu. Gpu, ram etc. Then 100% of the system boost possable.

  90. Chris s

    Chris s13 days ago

    Just wait until next week and see what happens to the treasonous democrats, the national guard isn't there to arrest trump I can tell you that

  91. Jule Rulez

    Jule Rulez13 days ago

    "Lets make certified test using 1000 decimal points Pi number " "Telephone call from India : WE INVENTED PI ! WE DONT AGREE YOU USING IT "

  92. Jule Rulez

    Jule Rulez13 days ago

    Smartest talk from Linus since ever !

  93. Zhrink

    Zhrink13 days ago

    Linus not understanding

  94. gelul12

    gelul1213 days ago

    Guess I’ll quit gaming then if we can’t upgrade our hardware.

  95. REG B

    REG B13 days ago

    remove the beards, you guys look like hobos

  96. Jon Son

    Jon Son13 days ago

    I live in Germany. As long as our Government doesnt change their direction regarding their energy politics, high energy gaming is dead. We pay 0.33€ per kWh or $0.39. Thats just ridiculously high. So, even though I could buy the latest tech, I just couldnt afford the high energy prices.

  97. Sean Metivier

    Sean Metivier6 days ago

    Can get latest tech and undervolt. Or get cheaper stuff then the highest which tends to use more power. Hell even at 40c/kwh mining on new gpus still profitable by quite a bit.

  98. VRoomvroom Boomboom

    VRoomvroom Boomboom13 days ago

    Chance would be a fine thing.

  99. Shawn M

    Shawn M13 days ago

    you can blame our lovely gooney at the time SCOTT WALKER for the FOXCONN deal. We voted him out a few years ago....What a shit show. I live in WI and now, the problem is....our new governor isn't much better.

  100. CrimFerret

    CrimFerret13 days ago

    Well with luck, a lot of the idiot decisions Trump pushed through will be reversed early on in President Biden's term. The trade war with China has hurt both sides and I'd expect they'd be wanting to negotiate with somebody with at least some idea of what they are doing in that regard. Meanwhile, I'm seriously considering building a new system using a 1000 series card as a placeholder until the dust settles on all this crap.

  101. vh9network

    vh9network13 days ago

    The game show was the original Carmen Sandiego. The animated cartoon began afterwards in the mid 90s.

  102. Blake Olinger

    Blake Olinger13 days ago

    My 1080ti is amazing. It's faster than my 2070 Super