This is a REALLY bad take - WAN Show October 23 , 2020

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Timestamps (Courtesy of Michael O'Brien):
00:00:00 - Stream Start!
00:00:08 - And welcome to the WAN Show ladies and gentlemen
00:00:21 - Topic #2: Danish retailer on RTX 3000 supply (Jump to 00:32:50)
00:00:47 - Topic #3: Alleged RX 6800 benchmarks (Jump to 00:49:01)
00:00:53 - Topic #1: Tweets on the streaming industry (Jump to 00:03:25)
00:01:11 - Topic #4: Intel sold NAND business unit (Jump to 00:51:41)
00:01:42 - [Tepid] Intro
00:02:12 - Unofficial Topic #1: People Giving Linus Crap
00:03:29 - Topic #1: [Alex Hutchinson] @BangBangClick's Twitter Comments
00:04:07 - The meat of the topic
00:05:05 - Linus back with the meme moments...
00:05:06 - Luke's take
00:09:14 - Linus' take
00:12:43 - Streaming isn't the complete context
00:15:15 - How the Industry reacted
00:17:09 - But the EULA...
00:18:30 - Let's not forget about Fair Use w/ anecdote
00:23:10 - It is not cut and dry
00:25:50 - Summary of argument
00:26:45 - And L&L's assessment of Alex Hutchinson's tweet?
00:28:53 - Sponsors!
00:28:57 - Honey -
00:30:22 - Wondershare PDFelement - 50% off, link in description
00:31:57 - Redux -
00:32:50 - Topic #2: Proshop, Danish retailer fulfillment stats
00:33:08 - RTX 3090 stats
00:34:12 - RTX 3080 stats
00:34:46 - RTX 3070 stats, despite embargo
00:36:53 - Manufacturing bottleneck behind the delay
00:38:17 - Linus' opinion on the topic
00:39:59 - In all seriousness though...
00:43:53 - NCIS Story Time! - Gather 'round the Pentium 4 space heater, kids
00:48:45 - Back to UT #1 :p
00:49:01 - Topic #3: Alleged RX 6800 benchmarks
00:50:20 - Luke's hot take
00:51:41 - Topic #4: Intel sold NAND business unit
00:51:41 - Details of sale & reasoning
00:53:27 - Unofficial Topic #2: Secret Shopper is BACK!
00:54:03 - SI's are: iBuyPower, CyberPower, Dell, HP, Main Gear, and Origin PCs
00:58:10 - 2nd stealth giveaway details...
00:59:13 - New entries, Lon.TV & Craft Computing
00:59:34 - Craft Computing shot out (someone else want to tell me what the other is?)
01:00:14 - Unofficial Topic #3: Loot Box Lawsuits
01:00:31 - The thoughts on the topic
01:02:39 - Uofficial Topic #4: McBroken
01:04:35 - Superchats!
01:04:58 - Linus can't adopt you
01:05:31 - DMCA & Copyright Policy
01:11:10 - LMG is hiring -
01:12:56 - Bye!
01:12:59 - Outtro!


  1. Dulcie Juana

    Dulcie Juana7 days ago

    "They weren't wrong, but they were stupid" That sums up a lot of the decisions made by the gaming industry.

  2. Advait Shukla

    Advait Shukla13 days ago


  3. awesomeferret

    awesomeferret14 days ago

    I honestly am surprised that they are so surprised that a Google employee would have such a bigoted opinion. It's yet another symptom of a long running cultural problem of elitism at Google. They actually think that user feedback doesn't matter because they know better, this is so obvious in the latest changes to their products. They're worse than Apple because they have the elitist bigotry but they aren't open about it and lie about it unlike Apple.

  4. Ender Assassin

    Ender Assassin19 days ago

    His new twitter bio is "creative director at staida games and entertainment Montreal"

  5. Declared Snow

    Declared Snow22 days ago

    Proshop is for the Whole Scandinavia btw, not just Denmark.

  6. Pepijn Krijnsen

    Pepijn Krijnsen23 days ago

    "I know NOTHING about Lithuanian copyright law" what!? The hell have I been watching this channel for for the past six years if not the reviews of Lithuanian copyright cases?? Seriously Linus.

  7. Kanav Sethi

    Kanav Sethi25 days ago

    I'm a Pixel Art Streamer and my stream was taken down for DARAWING MARIO!

  8. Nick

    Nick25 days ago

    Stadia wont exist in 1 year. Google kills off everything.

  9. Peter Schumacher

    Peter Schumacher27 days ago

    A game that falls under fair use? Minecraft 😂 A game that probably lost sales because people streamed it? Minecraft Story Mode.

  10. Ben Korpella

    Ben Korpella29 days ago

    Nobody: Linus: "I like the D"

  11. deep hazarika

    deep hazarika29 days ago

    remote working might be a factor, but still Luke talks more when his co-host is not Linus

  12. Robert Collins

    Robert Collins29 days ago

    LINUS I NEED TO KNOW there is a program that you can download its meant for office spaces called ASTER able to use multiple screens with other hardware such as 2 mouse and keyboards CAN IT RUN 2 GAMES AT ONCE ?? or instead of mouse and keyboards for instance 2 controllers maybe ??!!

  13. ISOHaven

    ISOHaven29 days ago

    Don't sit in a video card queue, just try to get a Gundam card instead and....sit in that queue instead....???

  14. ISOHaven

    ISOHaven29 days ago

    RTX 30 series ship numbers. So we're just going to pretend that Covid isn't a thing? For the past 7 months just about everything I've ordered (keyboard, mice, routers, whatever) has been at least 3 months out.

  15. ISOHaven

    ISOHaven29 days ago

    I love how youtube claims they don't get involved when they literally get involved. When someone files a claim through youtube I can see youtube turning off that vid (or whatever) but once the original poster replies with NO then youtube should do as they claim, reverse it, back off and don't get involved. The "notice" went out, it did it's job. Now let the claimant go to court and make their argument.

  16. David

    DavidMonth ago

    Day 122 of asking for a PC thanks 😁👍

  17. Greg

    GregMonth ago

    I miss Luke on LTT

  18. Tyler W

    Tyler WMonth ago

    You guys gotta prepare a little better...

  19. ReatuKrentor

    ReatuKrentorMonth ago

    8:09 - I find it funny that the person complaining that streamers should pay the game devs for the privilege of streaming their games is going to stream a game.

  20. Grant Christnacht

    Grant ChristnachtMonth ago

    The McDonald's Icecream bot, is the hero we needed this year.

  21. Bound4Earth

    Bound4EarthMonth ago

    Even story driven games like FireWatch support streaming because it garners sales more than not.

  22. Luke Bentley

    Luke BentleyMonth ago

    I wonder what the odds are that the last "golden ticket" t-shirt is sitting in someone's house waiting to be opened on Christmas.

  23. Jeff Chadrick

    Jeff ChadrickMonth ago

    I have to convert PDF to excel all of the time for work. One of my customers sends their invoices in PDF format and we need an excel file to consolidate and transfer to our system.

  24. Antonie van der Meer

    Antonie van der MeerMonth ago

    1:11:44 Hell yeah I love benchmarking stuff.

  25. Leon

    LeonMonth ago

    "Sorry I had something really stupid caught in my throat" - absolute stitches

  26. halvars90

    halvars90Month ago

    Who even cares about this Nvidia stuff? Adults with to much money for something so unimportant in life sure are crying a lot.

  27. liquidlethe

    liquidletheMonth ago

    Heres the problem, streamers and youtubers can't afford to pay for large amounts of music liscense and theres not enough money to be made selling to this demographic by record labels and music streaming services. Like seriously why would they even bother? How much money would they actually make from a more accessible system for streamers and youtubers? It would only decrease the amount of money they make from companies that can actually pay for music like advertising firms, streaming services, tv and film studios, and radio. You can't devalue your product for one group but not the others.

  28. Jack Deez

    Jack DeezMonth ago

    On top of my other comment you’re the reason I don’t buy a lot of products. You should be taxed for that too. You need a tiny hand tax too. 90%

  29. Jack Deez

    Jack DeezMonth ago

    Linus you buy an 800$ graphics card and talk about it. Make tons of money. You should be taxed by the retailer 40% in that case. We know you don’t pay for anything you get you just tiny hand job it away from the retailer and make tons of money. I do like you and your channel but if streamers get taxed I hope you get massively taxed.

  30. Lost Cosmos

    Lost CosmosMonth ago

    Your point about single player games is mute... look at SW Jedi Fallen Order... if the single player game is good enough, no matter if people stream it, other people will want to buy and play it. Wanting a license to stream a game I've purchased just makes you greedy! Go work for EA.

  31. josh sanderson

    josh sandersonMonth ago

    Thats not fair use, you use the phrase ncis and that’s a tv show

  32. IRMacGuyver

    IRMacGuyverMonth ago

    @30:20 You'd want to create a PDF from excel if you use excel for book keeping and use it to generate invoices. That way you can send people PDFs of the invoice that can't be edited by them. Maybe there's a better way to do that but it's what I've used for 15 years and I'm not changing now.

  33. IRMacGuyver

    IRMacGuyverMonth ago

    It's pretty obvious that he doesn't see the artist as having a right to claim copyright on a fan art of his character. It's a very common belief that fan art isn't covered by fair use or any other clause that gives the artist credit since it's not their original creation from scratch.

  34. Shilvio D. Linton

    Shilvio D. LintonMonth ago

    I watched a playthrough of Remedy's _Control_ so I could stay in the loop with the GOTY conversation. I never expected to be able to play it on NSwitch. Now it's possible to stream it to NSwitch but I don't have the motivation to buy it myself. I see where the devs are coming from.

  35. EdenGodly

    EdenGodlyMonth ago

    I heard before that fair use is a defence, not a right.

  36. DeinonychusCowboy

    DeinonychusCowboyMonth ago

    A comment on the narrative story heavy game streams: Honestly out of all types of games, I'm most inclined to NOT watch a narrative game on stream, or perhaps watch the first episode only and then buy it myself, specifically because I don't want to experience it in a streamed format. I'm doing that right now with Amnesia Rebirth, which isn't even a narrative-only game, there's a lot of horror-spook value you get out of playing horror games that you don't necessarily get out of watching it. I'm gonna buy the game, play it, and then watch my favorite streamers play it later. I don't think that's so unusual for streaming fans, really, especially for games like that.

  37. Arnold Tóth Isaszegi

    Arnold Tóth IsaszegiMonth ago

    Music on youtube currently works like you stream just as anyone else, but immediately after you finished streaming you put the archive members only. That is the only way to not get copy strikes.

  38. Arnold Tóth Isaszegi

    Arnold Tóth IsaszegiMonth ago

    Linus, you need to revisit poco phone f1. Believe me! Especially we just got miui 12. One of my best purchase ever. In europe there are no ads on the phone, they are just charged a bit extra when I bought it. Ofc it's not the best of the best but honestly a really good phone. 4k60 easy, all of the stuff which was wanky fixed

  39. toby1kenobi1000

    toby1kenobi1000Month ago

    I hope LTT doesn't get too bloated like rooster teeth

  40. Daniel Hellqvist

    Daniel HellqvistMonth ago

    Nordic gamers need power!

  41. Sir Stimpy

    Sir StimpyMonth ago

    When I was streaming persona 4 when it dropped on steam I only streamed the first part of the story and every other time I just streamed the dungeon because the dev asked not to spoil the story for new players

  42. Mobius Stolz

    Mobius StolzMonth ago

    As another comment on the effect that streaming has on the story or experience of the game. Bithell Games for "Thomas was alone" put a note in there specifically for streamers thanking them for their interest and sharing it. They just requested that they advise the audience that at the halfway point in the game, it's meant to be experienced a certain way and by watching it you may be spoiling it for themselves, etc. etc. That I think is a really good way to reach out to streamers if the developer is worried about their game being spoiled and such.

  43. darrennorniron

    darrennornironMonth ago

    Secret shopper was the best series you have run in years, looking forward to it. Surprised something similar didn't come sooner

  44. Brittfire

    BrittfireMonth ago

    The Idea of having music on streams as background music having the same or similar licence to having music in the background of a shop. its not recordable and its not in user control.

  45. Arvid Olson

    Arvid OlsonMonth ago

    Welp, the one time I superchat, they don’t read them.

  46. Trust

    TrustMonth ago


  47. Joh447

    Joh447Month ago

    proshop devilers to Scandinavia though.

  48. Jonathan Tam

    Jonathan TamMonth ago

    “Fair use” is a defence in copyright infringement. So like Linus said about Nintendo, legally you begin in the “wrong”. The defence is used to make an argument for why you deserve to use the content.

  49. Just Zippy

    Just ZippyMonth ago

    Is it just me or just to get back at Nvidia I wanna get the Amd card that’s coming out? I mean u gotta love Nvidia but they need to fix this so people actually get what they put their hard earned money towards

  50. Scott Swain

    Scott SwainMonth ago

    What if the cons outweigh the pros of owning an idea?

  51. Ulrik Pedersen

    Ulrik PedersenMonth ago

    Just so you know Proshop does not only supply Denmark but also Germany Poland, Norway, Sweden, Finland Austria So it's not that small a Market

  52. Cova Dax

    Cova DaxMonth ago

    Even when it comes to streaming single player narrative games I think there are 3 major types of viewers: "I have no particular interest in this game, but I want to watch my favorite streamer play something." and they view up to the whole game on stream "I am interested in the game, but to check out if it's worth buying / want to watch my favorite streamer play something" and they view the stream and may or may not make a purchase bsed on the content they see. "I may have purchased this game, but instead I'll watch my favorite streamer play it" and experience the entire game vicariously through teh streamer. I feel that last type of viewer is very rare, especially when it comes to very long single player games. Sure SOME people might watch every video (that may reach up to 50+ 30 min videos), but i doubt that would ever happen in such a number to convince a significant amount of potential buyers away from buying it. I think if this DOES happen it's usually for a controversial game. That's my take.

  53. Man With A Mic

    Man With A MicMonth ago

    "It brokey" is that a twomad reference 🤣

  54. Joh447

    Joh447Month ago

    I feel like this is basically like if I buy a car and was forced to pay the car company to post pictures on social media. it's beyond retarded in practice.

  55. misium

    misiumMonth ago

    40:20 proshop might be danish, but it sells to Sweden, Norway, Finland, Poland, Germany and Austria. That's a market of about 150 million people. So not small potato.

  56. CYTrevor

    CYTrevorMonth ago

    Linus, will you be doing a review/unboxing for the ASUS Gundam edition stuffs?

  57. Paulius Aleliūnas

    Paulius AleliūnasMonth ago

    I hear Lithuania I press "LIKE". NICE! Best regards from Lithuania

  58. TheFormalMooshroom

    TheFormalMooshroomMonth ago

    Is it possible to C&D the stadia guy for his use of the art?

  59. KamoGaming

    KamoGamingMonth ago

    Yakuza series comes to mind for a game that is narrative heavy and thus the story could be restricted. But if it was only the combat and mini games then I think it would be fine

  60. D W

    D WMonth ago

    Give Puget systems a run through the secret shopper gauntlet.

  61. mikrokosmos

    mikrokosmosMonth ago

    This gaming crap reminds me of metallinapsters

  62. Richard Peck

    Richard PeckMonth ago

    I learnt a lot about games.... so many different ways games can be appreciated - thanks for opening my eyes a bit :)

  63. PickeringSamuel

    PickeringSamuelMonth ago

    Adored TV is awesome

  64. Tim Tschumy

    Tim TschumyMonth ago

    Regarding converting a PDF to Excel - which Linus seemed rather baffled by. In the logistics industry where e.g. purchase orders/packing lists (containing a list of items and item information) are sometimes sent between companies in PDF form. Being able to convert that to Excel for upload to an internal system, instead of manually copying or (god forbid) transcribing the values is an EXTREMELY valuable tool. (Why this information is sent in PDF form in the first place usually involves antiquated technology/practices and a resistance to change)

  65. Albert Zhen

    Albert ZhenMonth ago

    GG Nivida?

  66. Pwadigy the Oddity

    Pwadigy the OddityMonth ago

    “why would you want to convert excel to PDF and PDF to excel” Electronic Medical Records systems. It’s as cumbersome as it sounds.

  67. GaryTheBusman

    GaryTheBusmanMonth ago

    Jensen's kitchen looks like an office desk :-p

  68. brokntoster

    brokntosterMonth ago

    Cringiest live chat of al time lol. Nothing but spamming a 5 year old meme. Y'all got any moderation?

  69. Weta

    WetaMonth ago

    You need to do an episode on ad hoc mesh networks (and LTE direct, PoSe Proximity Service), there are so much innovative tech you should talk about instead of building yet another gaming pc with the same boring specs or watercooling some kind of electronics no one cares about.

  70. Eric James Flonominal Crompton

    Eric James Flonominal CromptonMonth ago

    Yo Linus is stoned

  71. Andin Aditya Rahman

    Andin Aditya RahmanMonth ago

    I keep thinking that Microsoft Teams notification sound came from my laptop. Opening it to be confused that there's no new messages.

  72. Dylan Richards

    Dylan RichardsMonth ago

    If you buy a game, aren't you also buying a license to play it? Not every streamer gets their games for free; certainly not the smaller channels. And then bigger channels get sent games by developers explicitly to play. Hutchinson is a bit of a dumbass.

  73. Grey Hodge

    Grey HodgeMonth ago

    For some reason I still looked at the job listings even though I don't live in Vancouver and they couldn't afford me anyway.

  74. mugsy

    mugsyMonth ago

    did anyone else sit there trying to work out who messaged them on teams? (facepalm)

  75. Shukuun

    ShukuunMonth ago

    The thing that gets me is that Alex mentions not paying for the game... But for a lot of people who didn't get a promotion copy, they did purchase the game in order to stream it. ~shrugs~ Man it is a bad take...

  76. Beck Barnhardt

    Beck BarnhardtMonth ago

    For the idea of lttstore being a pc store you could secretly put up your stuff you don’t need on the store

  77. Wesley Mercer

    Wesley MercerMonth ago

    I'm glad that y'all explained the fair use laws. Things like this seem to be like the wild west, at least for now. (To be clear, I can only speak for American law) But, in the end, whatever the court decides is the law for that particular incident. (Unless you appeal I guess?)

  78. Pat MC

    Pat MCMonth ago

    Good thing minecraft doesnt care about people playing their game and making videos on them

  79. Shadowtrot / CAU

    Shadowtrot / CAUMonth ago

    "I believe the word for this is, 'oof,' as the kids say... or 'big oof'" linus you're aging yourself so much more than you need to

  80. Dugler

    DuglerMonth ago

    That's the joke

  81. Xenzor

    XenzorMonth ago


  82. LainK1978

    LainK1978Month ago

    I completely and utterly disagree with the idea that music cannot be transformed by visuals. There are several songs that I hated until I saw a music video of it. And typically the video was fan-made rather than of the official one.

  83. .,|by010|,.

    .,|by010|,.Month ago

    1:08:20 - it can work that way, for example see EDM lyrics. great example is this - /watch?v=xl4ozrTuQE0 It was even complemented by music creator. So yeah, you can make that argument IMHO in some scenarios, but what do I know.

  84. 0megasamurai

    0megasamuraiMonth ago

    Sometimes you have old documents or drawings with tables in scanned PDF form and it really helps to be able to get them into excel automagically

  85. The Deviant Developer IDW Podcast

    The Deviant Developer IDW PodcastMonth ago

    Someone teach linus how to mute notifications

  86. The Deviant Developer IDW Podcast

    The Deviant Developer IDW PodcastMonth ago

    Kitchen is awful, expensive with no taste. The cooker has never been used.

  87. hmmmmm2555

    hmmmmm2555Month ago

    you guys realize by simply buying nvidia cards you legitimize and condone this behaviour by simply FUNDING THIS PRACTICE. stop being stupid and funding them or stop bitching about it when they treat customers like this. if i were to make an analogy here; this is literally like feeding the hand that SLAPS you, every. single. time.

  88. craziedzombie

    craziedzombieMonth ago

    Micro transactions have no place in games you pay for

  89. martin16k

    martin16kMonth ago

    for the license stuff I watched all of henry stickman but I still paid for the collection has I loved the work and detail and wanted to support it but have not played it myself I know it may not or maybe it is common place to do it but that s how I felt about it

  90. Starlord

    StarlordMonth ago

    Linus !!! Can tech industry start speaking up about lack of anti cheat on pc? Pc online gaming is getting destroyed at moment due to lack of anti cheat. Bfv is so bad now its unplayable..level 500 cheaters u report for a year and nothing happens. Contacted ea with complaint and proof of cheaters and they say press report button...complete joke.ea yells about bf6 ....after cheater infested bfv EAbcan eat my shorts.

  91. TheOmegaAlfa

    TheOmegaAlfaMonth ago

    There is only one Anthony.

  92. Richard Robertson

    Richard RobertsonMonth ago

    McDonalds employees jumping at the opportunity to explain why ice cream machines are "broken" is like Yen Sid from Kingdom Hearts jumping at the opportunity to explain what his name spelled backwards is

  93. Michael Ristau

    Michael RistauMonth ago

    When are the LTT mouse pads going to come out? I see it on short circuit every day.

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    Worapron PooMonth ago

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  95. Stanimir Rankovski

    Stanimir RankovskiMonth ago

    Half of the games I play are because of the videos/highlights I watch from streamers that also upload on USlikes. Edit: Not to mention that 2/3 of the time Im watching the streamer and his friends being idiots rather than the game/gameplay.

  96. craziedzombie

    craziedzombieMonth ago

    Walking simulators are not even really a game. Especially ones that only take a couple hours to even get through. So that is incredibly niche and no actual evidence showing their sales hurt cuz people watch a streamer play a game. Also there are plenty of single player games that get streamed and still sell well enough or most times even better

  97. Cyoor

    CyoorMonth ago

    14:10 - Long single player games like that need preorders and backing during the development phase. Look at Cyan worlds (creators of Myst, Riven, Obduction and so on). The games get TOTALLY ruined by someone streaming it, since its main element is to figure things out. They create games based on pre backing. Their next game Firmament looks great. So yes. Its possible to create games like that, but you need to start building up hype BEFORE the game is out and start selling the game before people get spoiled on the internet. People who preorder or preback a game like that will try to avoid getting spoiled by things online when its released.

  98. Adam G

    Adam GMonth ago

    I am pretty sure Proshop ships to all Nordic countries, or atleast Scandinavia. I bought my graphics card from their Swedish site. If you count only scandinavian population it's around 21 million.

  99. T L

    T LMonth ago

    For that first discussion that's basically what happened with me. I watched fire watch streams and ended up not buying it cause I got like 80% of the game from just watching. Cool game. But no reason to get the game now.

  100. Cory Robinson

    Cory RobinsonMonth ago

    Big oof is back.

  101. Derek Reynolds

    Derek ReynoldsMonth ago

    We knew that 3080 Jensen pulled from the oven was half-baked.