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Comments

  1. The King

    The KingHour ago

    30% is not too much to ask to put your product on a proprietary platform with a large user base.

  2. Travis Pack

    Travis Pack7 hours ago

    i hate fortnite but this is awesome. screw apple

  3. Josh Bosch

    Josh Bosch16 hours ago

    doesn’t really work in their favor calling it a monopoly, oligopoly would’ve been the better term

  4. OD ie

    OD ie2 days ago

    Epic once again shitting up their own reputation to pick fights because they're not rich enough

  5. Derek Stiles

    Derek Stiles2 days ago

    Epic trying to play the good guy, yet every argument comes back to “We want more money ourselves...so...yeah.” Lol. Epic fail.

  6. Alex Cuevas

    Alex Cuevas2 days ago

    It's hypocritical that epic is suing them just for that matter. Even they take 15% if revenue from their unreal engine🤦‍♀️

  7. A Person

    A Person2 days ago

    *Epic isn't a charity, everyone wants to blame the rich so they use it to promote their game*

  8. A Person

    A Person2 days ago

    *Epic isn't a charity, they want money and they do that by bringing attention back to Fortnite*

  9. A Person

    A Person2 days ago

    *We can fantasise companies care but Epic wants publicity and Apple wants money*

  10. A Person

    A Person2 days ago

    *Fortnite is a dying game, they can't afford to write for iOS so they used it as a publicity stunt to remind people about the game*

  11. A Person

    A Person2 days ago

    *Apple is not a monpoly because they only have a 30 percent market share, Google is a monopoly because they have 99 percent market share*

  12. A Person

    A Person2 days ago

    *Yeah but people are paying for Apple's walled garden, it also means no viruses are on iPhone and iPad, imagine if it was full like Windows*

  13. littlefootfeet

    littlefootfeet3 days ago

    that last segue tho XD

  14. Emma Bentley

    Emma Bentley3 days ago

    It's End of November.. the Reckoning didn't come... another Linus Useless Tips on Apple falls flat!... F

  15. Destro Prime

    Destro Prime4 days ago

    Me, who doesn’t buy anything after the initial purchase of my device: :)))))

  16. Coy

    Coy5 days ago

    Jesus this music in the background is so annoying :(

  17. Timur Kutluev

    Timur Kutluev5 days ago

    Epic fights against Apple and Google mono(duo)poly. @ Epic makes Metro: Exodus, The Outer Worlds, Shenmue III and now Rocket League their own exclusives. Is that normal?

  18. General squirrel

    General squirrel7 days ago

    Monopoly we can see that the demoncratic party and republican party have a monopoly in the US politcs

  19. Joshua Schecter

    Joshua Schecter9 days ago

    I think Epic is only interested in the bottom line. I think it just makes there case sound better and perhaps gain more attention if they appear to be taking up a crusade for the average person.

  20. Chadius Maximus

    Chadius Maximus11 days ago

    I’m still a student so you can certainly find better legal analysis out there, but for what it’s worth Epic can’t win this. To walk in court after your client reneged their contract? Undermines the point.

  21. 初音ミク

    初音ミク11 days ago

    I stand with Apple.

  22. 初音ミク

    初音ミク11 days ago

    Epic Games is just greedy bastards

  23. TheSiameseCat

    TheSiameseCat12 days ago

    I don’t think multiple app stores are a good idea because of security reasons. Epic Games is just playing stupid. They had a contract, they should have followed it. Their loss.

  24. WorldTravel1518

    WorldTravel151813 days ago

    Windows is a bit of a monopoly of the Desktop OS, but it also isn't charging anything to install a program unless it's through the rarely used Microsoft Store (seriously, who uses that thing?)

  25. Airmanc89

    Airmanc8913 days ago

    Who cares? Fortnite sucks. Why would anyone spend money on BS cosmetic items anyway.

  26. Katkat Apacible

    Katkat Apacible14 days ago

    For countries like mine, i feel safer using Apple billing system. If it becomes too open i fear a-lot of people will take advantage in my opinion. Also I don’t want to download antivirus in ios (i am not good at those stuff)

  27. Diced Tomato

    Diced Tomato14 days ago

    It's epic the good guy?

  28. Might Guy

    Might Guy18 days ago

    Fortnite should go with harmony os now lol. No fortnite in google android or iphone .

  29. Seppuku Art

    Seppuku Art18 days ago

    I want apple to take more commissions

  30. SpartiuS94

    SpartiuS9418 days ago

    Apple is interested in keeping devices running longer? Seriously? After all the update scandals and the lawsuits? How can he make that argument with a straight face?

  31. Sandy BoleYT

    Sandy BoleYT18 days ago

    This is definitely a slap fight Apple is not going to go down without a fight

  32. Inukrieger

    Inukrieger18 days ago

    when you look at iphone and the many resrictions they ind the store and the phone itself i can understand epic.

  33. Guy White

    Guy White19 days ago

    Your smile was the best most honest way to sell your sponsors 15:25 without feeling like you really want to sell

  34. not my name

    not my name20 days ago

    the 30 percent is for 1 year and the its 15 percent

  35. Robin Douglas

    Robin Douglas20 days ago

    Speaking as an actual iOS developer, I completely disagree that this would help developers universally, it might aid these few huge companies but I expect it would harm smaller teams and independent developers who wouldn’t have the resources necessary to go their own way. To some extent the App Store actually provides a more level playing field between developers. You also have to consider the huge amount of resources apple puts into aiding developers, this has to be payed for somehow, to me, an ‘Apple tax’ paying for it makes a lot of sense. If you took all the code that makes up an App like Spotify, a large part of it will actually be written directly by Apple in the form of various frameworks. Not to mention the development of Swift itself. At the end of the day, if Apple was forced to allow bypassing of the App Store, it would result in lower quality apps, risk to most users, and would makes things harder for the average iOS dev. Epic and Spotify are only raising this for their own financial gain, they couldn’t care less about anything else.

  36. Robin Douglas

    Robin Douglas18 days ago

    @TKPS what I’m getting at in my last paragraph is that Spotify etc. have no inherent interest in the success of other developers whereas Apple does have some as that success both benefits Apple directly as well as through keeping and bringing more users and other developers to their platform. I’m from the UK, I definitely wouldn’t trust our politicians to make informed and rational decisions on this stuff. Ideologically there is a problem with apple having so much control, however I think the reality is that disrupting that would make things worse for most people in the industry as well as for users

  37. TKPS

    TKPS18 days ago

    That last paragraph smacks of the 'think of the children' argument. I'd be surprised if this is even allowed outside the US. Lack of regulation is responsible and it's to one's local member that people should be going. But then the US government has also become so corrupted by money, that avenue is probably closed too. When it boils down to brass tacks, the CHOICE should be there. No matter what Apple spent in development. Any company will invest money in a venture if they have guaranteed huge profits in PERPETUITY, who wouldn't? I remember when Ebay announced a 'trial' in Australia whereby Paypal would be the ONLY payment method allowed. Federal government squashed that PDQ.

  38. jd

    jd23 days ago

    literally who cares

  39. Pranav Ratnaparkhi

    Pranav Ratnaparkhi23 days ago

    EPIC FOREVER

  40. Aadityakiran S

    Aadityakiran S26 days ago

    Did legal eagle make a video on this?

  41. hazy J

    hazy J26 days ago

    At first I didn't like the beard, but now I don't like the clean shaven linus

  42. Jczy Aquino

    Jczy Aquino27 days ago

    Unity is like 😶

  43. Lietuviscxz

    Lietuviscxz28 days ago

    #AppleTrash #FreeFortnite

  44. Krishna Chaithanya

    Krishna Chaithanya28 days ago

    if you cut to 15% will you get the same updates, safety market n all that from apple? if you think apple as a person then their motivation to keep app store and apps great would lose fast

  45. Wayne Curr

    Wayne CurrMonth ago

    This is what keeps me from buying an apple phone . I really like ios , and the iphone , just doesn't play well with anything else . So F*** Apple !!

  46. Wanted797

    Wanted797Month ago

    Apple wants to you keep your device longer. Why they so against right to repair?

  47. The King

    The King54 minutes ago

    They don’t want you to keep using your device. They want you to keep using IOS. There is a difference.

  48. FlashYYT_KM

    FlashYYT_KMMonth ago

    Mobile players rn 👁👄👁

  49. Techy Side of Things

    Techy Side of ThingsMonth ago

    Fantastic overview of the case. Thanks!

  50. shadfurman

    shadfurmanMonth ago

    Don't use it.

  51. Scared

    ScaredMonth ago

    Actually you can sideload on ios

  52. Gurveer Singh

    Gurveer SinghMonth ago

    I completely disagree. Apple works very hard to make sure malwares viruses etc stays out from their eco system and many out there have no idea how much malwares are constantly penetrating into either google or apple system applications every minute of the day. On top of that, my playground my rules is good because it benefits both parties in terms of profit and security. When others are happy, why not Epic and oh please stop with that "I'm trying to help others too" crap. Profit seekers always jump into an opportunity when they see one. Epic is just greedy. End of story.

  53. TKPS

    TKPS18 days ago

    And Apple isn't the least bit greedy are they? Give me a break.

  54. אמיר וויסבלאי

    אמיר וויסבלאיMonth ago

    Its like a browser will take a cut from online payments

  55. 4rsh1

    4rsh1Month ago

    The reason I only play actuall games that have good developers behind the game/app

  56. Reece Crook

    Reece CrookMonth ago

    this is kinda like those over pc melenials who oppress people they dont agree with in order to stop oppression, how long before people start suing shops for having a monopoly on selling groceries in there own shops

  57. Jack Whitney

    Jack WhitneyMonth ago

    Linus - this video is sponsored by Asus Me - WHY

  58. nba543

    nba543Month ago

    Fortnite has given epic a lot of fucking confidence haha. To take on apple.

  59. Jack Allan

    Jack AllanMonth ago

    I mean, this is in line with Epic's MO right? They don't like Steam, why would they like the app/playstore

  60. Zunlite

    ZunliteMonth ago

    Linus Law Tips

  61. coNtTroLLer pLayER

    coNtTroLLer pLayERMonth ago

    #freefortnite

  62. DannyBoi111

    DannyBoi111Month ago

    I play on mac and I cant update so #freefortnite

  63. Reed 2600

    Reed 2600Month ago

    My concern would be like you said the security of apps distributed on 3rd party app stores. iOS and Android users have enjoyed the security in knowing the apps they are downloading are usually free of malware. Harvesting of personal data maybe not so much.

  64. TKPS

    TKPS18 days ago

    And they can still get it from there if they want. The choice to get it elsewhere without it being a huge hassle or our phone's operating systems making it next to impossible is what they are asking for. Seems more than fair to me. Choice is always a right.

  65. ChillGamer4life

    ChillGamer4lifeMonth ago

    Apple allows self service

  66. R. Keane

    R. KeaneMonth ago

    If my iPhone starts looking like my gaming PC with a billion different launchers I’ll be pissed off Kinda hope Apple comes out on top

  67. WorldTravel1518

    WorldTravel151813 days ago

    If I couldn't install apps on my iPhone because I can't afford them I'd be pretty pissed off Kinda hope Epic comes out on top

  68. X3DwAnY -

    X3DwAnY -22 days ago

    Well i want epic games to win because Free games?

  69. Dasherplayz

    DasherplayzMonth ago

    I expected to see or at least see the mention of Mat pat in the comments

  70. Joel Baker

    Joel BakerMonth ago

    I didn't know Micro Center did sponsoring... They are quite literally walking distance from where I live. I could (and have) gotten lost looking at everything they carry. If only I had the budget for a "dream computer"...

  71. Adventures With Leonardo

    Adventures With LeonardoMonth ago

    Epics argument that side loading or alt app stores on google devices is entirely retarded. The only thing android does is warn you that malicious apps can install themselves when the setting is off. I use fdroid instead of google play. I have no issues. Epic are being whiney babies. I cannot wait till the fortnite fad dies.

  72. Dr. Dodi

    Dr. DodiMonth ago

    This is a brilliant move from Epic. App store, Play Store, Steam and other platforms taking a 30% cut just for providing a digital product is way too much. Everyone is hating on EPIC game store, but they actually treat their devs better than the competition.

  73. Sven

    SvenMonth ago

    THIS

  74. Aiden

    AidenMonth ago

    Dont most companies take a %30 cut from app and or games from purchases

  75. Bas e

    Bas eMonth ago

    Good points

  76. Henning Nilsen

    Henning NilsenMonth ago

    If a developers fee is "taxed" 30% before they have to pay income tax in their country of origin, then Apple/Bezo/Sony etc should get taxed from those countries the end-customer/app-user sends currency from. As Apple claims it to be an invented industry, it thus makes it kinda infrastructural. As it is online and globally accessable, an US appointed judge should not have the final rule, but who could/should that be? UN? I don't know, but we can't say that TimBL didn't warn us back in the day ;-)

  77. AtotehZ

    AtotehZMonth ago

    Apple products are not magic. Their smartphones are smartphones and their workstations are workstations. A different architecture and OS doesn't change the fact that it's a computer.

  78. XFactor

    XFactorMonth ago

    good point.

  79. Dani Londen

    Dani LondenMonth ago

    You must get it through apple store. Jailbreak those iphones

  80. solidbeat1

    solidbeat1Month ago

    People need to stop buying apple products, such greedy company and biggest scammer in modern era but all normies goes crazy when new apple phone is released, This type people just rush to apple store to spend 2k for new iphone just to use 3 same everyday KEKW.

  81. Calvin Trinh

    Calvin TrinhMonth ago

    You really don’t understand whats going on do you? I can very much tell you call yourself a gamer with pride. All you see are specs and fps and graphics. Everything Apple makes or does creates a great end-user experience many people love, and have no problem spending “$2k” (even though no iphone has ever gone over $1500 maxed out). So quit your bs and i hope you enjoyed my ted talk

  82. ProjectModz

    ProjectModzMonth ago

    Apple and epic hate each other Samsung holding hands with epic

  83. AC Hastie

    AC HastieMonth ago

    Apple lowers cut to 15%* Epic games: “i like ya cut G”

  84. X3DwAnY -

    X3DwAnY -22 days ago

    OOooooOooOoOoOoO

  85. hero10gamer

    hero10gamerMonth ago

    Fortnite, I like your cut G (taco belllll)

  86. Danielguy 101

    Danielguy 101Month ago

    Actually the first year of an app the tax is 30% then after it goes 15% for the rest that the app is up

  87. Alan Sabu

    Alan SabuMonth ago

    underated comment

  88. Hemant Kumar

    Hemant KumarMonth ago

    China has 48 percent share in Epic games. So basically it's chinese influence to file a lawsuit against apple and Google so that all the money directly goes into the chinese pockets. Also by not listing epic games app on app and play store means china has no interference of Apple and Google in regard of consumer privacy. They want all the money + also also slip into secure Apple devices via epic games app. World needs to be more aware.

  89. Thabang Thamane

    Thabang ThamaneMonth ago

    If 30% is too much, some of our governments need to re-evaluate what they expect us to pay as tax on top of having to pay VAT. I heard that NFL players can loose up to 52% of the money when all is said and done. 30% is nothing on someone's platform tbh. Maybe create your own OS, hardware and do the markeingt so you can keep every cent🤔. Yes 30% is harsh but either create your platform or play by the rules. In fact, maybe don't release your app on their platform🤷.

  90. 379w9 exhd

    379w9 exhdMonth ago

    whats beta games where they talk to u threw ur thoughts and threw ur skull????

  91. Trip Dapperson Jr.

    Trip Dapperson Jr.Month ago

    I think epic just wants to bring the epic games store to mobile and they want to be their own type of app store so they dont have to pay the 30 percent which is bs. They should still have to go through the app stores, but it sounds like a good idea to change the standard cut for digital app stores down to 25 percent instead of 30. I think that would be pretty fair.

  92. Andrew

    AndrewMonth ago

    As per usual, I want epic to lose. Their behavior is frustrating.

  93. The King

    The King51 minute ago

    30% from an app is not too much to ask.

  94. DeusWulf

    DeusWulfMonth ago

    No its not. People constantly whining at Epic for ridiculous reasons are frustrating.

  95. Brad Greenwood

    Brad GreenwoodMonth ago

    One has to also remember that Tencent (who owns a portion of Epic) has an incentive to open ios to allow them to place their own app store on ios for the Chinese market. There is much more to this argument than people realise

  96. Max

    MaxMonth ago

    Hi Linux, love your show. You did not talk about Apple slowing down there old devices with new update just before the release of a new phone so peoples buy the new phone.... or you really believe that "it's to save ion battery life"?

  97. V. Sriram Sundar

    V. Sriram SundarMonth ago

    So no one knows bout the fact that the 30% developer fee is only for one year? The next year the fee drops to 15%.

  98. Gabriel Ian Naguit

    Gabriel Ian NaguitMonth ago

    lol epic games dont like reading

  99. Elias Kühnert

    Elias KühnertMonth ago

    That's the first time in my life I want epic to succeed in anything. Just because I hate apple more.

  100. Gaming Weekly

    Gaming WeeklyMonth ago

    saying 30% is too high is stupid, epic should be suing Xbox and PlayStation as well because you can’t download apps from anywhere but the Microsoft store and PlayStation store and they charge 30% as well, at least Apple reduces that 30% after a year too. Epic complaining is them being greedy bitches who wanted attention.

  101. DeusWulf

    DeusWulfMonth ago

    They are not general computing devices. iphones and ipads are.

  102. Joaquin

    JoaquinMonth ago

    I actually support epic. I like my iPhone and would like to be able to take the risk of downloading alternative app stores.

  103. Z Wolverine

    Z WolverineMonth ago

    DUOPOLY

  104. w1ll1am04

    w1ll1am04Month ago

    Samsung phones allready have 2 stores. Appstore from google, And Samsung marketplace...

  105. Redskull21

    Redskull21Month ago

    I'm cool with epic winning but I think they should just lower to 20% or 25.

  106. The ham burber

    The ham burberMonth ago

    Perhaps I treated you too harshly fortnight

  107. Akshat Jaiswal

    Akshat JaiswalMonth ago

    Linus's segways are the best

  108. David chavez

    David chavezMonth ago

    Epic got fuck over

  109. Abcde Fghij

    Abcde FghijMonth ago

    Pretty messed up that Epic is "mobilizing" literal children against Apple because they're in a legal dispute with them

  110. AtarashiiSekai22

    AtarashiiSekai22Month ago

    You know that this isn't just Epic acting as some corporate technological Robin Hood, fighting against the evil Big Brother for locking down their appstores, Epic wants to form a monopoly themselves; through developer exclusive Epic deals and contracts, their own history with the Epic Store points in this direction.

  111. Salim Shady

    Salim ShadyMonth ago

    because fortnite is bad.

  112. Paul Schlachter

    Paul SchlachterMonth ago

    Apple were the first to create a service like the App Store that works as well as it does. You download the app, it's ready to be used. No need to install it, it's ready for use when the download completes. The vendor gets paid, the user is protected and vendors don't need to setup their own infrastructure for distributing their products. Distribution, payment, security are non-trivial efforts. Those things cost money. "It's just a digital product!" Sure it is. It still needs to be sent to your computer, right? If you don't charge for your app, it's distributed for free, which would definitely cost the creator real money to handle, certainly in volume. That doesn't mean that there can't be problems between certain vendors and Apple, there are examples aplenty. Overall Apple offer a great services its users can trust so that developers can see their products being used worldwide. That's not a small thing, it's a big thing. As for third parties building their own version of an app store and selling products: save yourself the trouble, I'm never getting it. I don't trust third parties to care as much about the security of Apple's eco system as Apple do.

  113. Moosey

    MooseyMonth ago

    If Epic Games wants to create there own "gaming" app store/play store like Google and Apple, why don't they create there own Phone OS/Computer OS rather then get involved in a bunch of lawsuits and much more with big tech giants? If Epic Games did that, and make it gamer focused, they may have a chance at something but you never know.

  114. Kshitij Sharma

    Kshitij SharmaMonth ago

    This is fun. Finally Dev's will get proper earnings, and there would be a boost in the app development which will give users better experience on each platform.

  115. Eber Irungaray

    Eber IrungarayMonth ago

    It’s apples platform, same thing with a supermarket. They all charge fees

  116. Aarya Sudarshan

    Aarya SudarshanMonth ago

    Apple: here's a new Mac Customer: what's new? Apple: the price

  117. Nam Khanh Ng

    Nam Khanh NgMonth ago

    Epic now: PLS LET ME IN, LET ME IN!

  118. Mark Williamson

    Mark WilliamsonMonth ago

    Don’t have to buy apple so not a crime. Yes they are a large US money making soul destroying resource consuming company. Like lots of others. Capitalism etc PS don’t like the beard and I have one too

  119. Zymphad

    ZymphadMonth ago

    It's mind boggling that other developers aren't joining in with Epic in more mass.